What if you don’t find yourself unTIL you get married?

For years now it has been the norm for Western women to view their twenties as that coveted time in which they’re supposed to “find themselves.” The assumption is that in the past, prior to feminists “freeing” women from their formerly oppressed lives, women tethered themselves to husbands and babies and “lost” themselves in the process.

The message was clear: marriage swallows you whole.

I recall Sandra Bullock saying something to that effect in a 2010 interview with Barbara Walters: “I always had this feeling that if you got married, it was like the end of who you were,” she said.

What if the opposite is true? What if you don’t find yourself until you get married?

After all, it’s not as though today’s single woman embarks on some sort of self-exploration in her 20s that results in her becoming more mature and more grounded. On the contrary, all that “empowerment” women have been raised with has made them shockingly self-absorbed and entitled.

Author Lori Gottleib admitted as much in her 2011 book Marry Him. In Chapter 3, aptly entitled “How Feminism Fucked Up My Love Life,” she writes this:

Growing up, my friends and I thought feminism was fabulous. To us, feminism meant we had freedom of choice in all aspects of our lives. We could pursue professional careers, take time to ‘find ourselves’ before getting married, decide not to get married at all, and have our sexual needs met whenever we felt like it…We grew up believing we shouldn’t compromise in any area of life, including dating. The higher our standards, the more “empowered” we were.

But were we?

Here’s what actually happened: Empowerment somehow became synonymous with having impossible standards and disregarding the fact that in real life, you can’t get everything you want, when you wanted, on your terms only.

Which is exactly how many of us empowered ourselves out of a good mate.

Indeed, women don’t “find themselves” as a result of freedom and liberation. They just make it harder for themselves to find a husband at all—and to be satisfied when and if they do.

No one “finds him/herself” prior to marriage. It takes decades to iron out one’s life—to know who you are and what you want. If everyone waited to marry until they’d figured all that out they’d be close to retirement.

Being single is the easiest existence there is—there’s no mirror in that world. Yes, you can live as you please. But you can’t grow. To grow, you need another person.

Being married is like looking into a mirror every single day for years. There’s no hiding when you’re married because everything you do affects someone else. It is there where you grapple with the essence of who you are, which in turn brings out your true identity.

It may be harder to be married than it is to be single, but nothing worthwhile is easy. It’s within the trial and tribulations of marriage that a person finds what he or she is made of.

Which means all those years of being single are often just wasted years. All that time spent studying to get degree upon degree upon degree, all that time spent building a career and hitting the bars, all that time moving in and out of countless failed relationships or random hookups, all that time spent being self-involved leads to…well, what exactly?

“Whereas delaying marriage and avoiding commitment would seem to promote self-discovery,” writes Barry Schwartz in The Paradox of Choice, “this freedom and self-exploration seems to leave many people feeling more lost than found.”

Suzanne Venker

Suzanne Venker is an author, columnist and radio host known as The Feminist Fixer. She helps free women from feminism so they can find lasting love with men. Suzanne's newest book, WOMEN WHO WIN at Love: How to Build a Relationship That Lasts, will be published October 2019.

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  1. MalcolmN says

    It is marvelous to tell women to marry earlier- and frankly it gives them a much better chance – especially since young men until they are about 25 – have a greatly reduced perception of risk. However, increasingly it is men who seek to avoid marriage – for good cause. It has been made into a contract both socially and legally that obligates him, and only him. It is that it is framed as her choice to stay home- and for him not to be a monster – he needs to work the hours required to fill the gap. It is framed as he must pull his weight around the house – even when he is not there because of work 12 hours or more a day.

    It is that he is not really ever given serious assurance those are really their kids, as opposed to her kids, in the reality of both certain knowledge of paternity, and having removed the social stigma around her cheating – we know that in many cases they are not his kids – only his burden. (20 % of DIY paternity kits – show he is not – 50% of lab tested challenges the same).

    When we see the reality that Helen Smith pointed to, it must be understood, that while perhaps she should be seeking a good and supportive husband – perhaps we need to also understand, that we have created a view of marriage – where young men understand that they are deemed disposable in marriage – which, well, makes it radically harder to find someone who is both worthy – and interested.

    Young men have heard “women don’t owe men shit” and have reason to believe that women still believe they are owed. That does not make a relationship particularly attractive.

    • Liz says

      Why would a young man take the risk of loosing his children,income,job,health,etc in a divorce?What if the marriage ends up as a “dead marriage” when the wife doesnt want to be involved ? That the husband needs to change and not her?Doesnt want to go anywhere,lets herself “go” i.e. overweight,no makeup,frumpy clothes,etc. Wife doesn’t make her husband a priority in her life, doesnt appreciate him,validate him as a man-ie. sex,affection,romance,flirt with him,etc. Men didn’t get married to become celibate,wives need to remember that..

      • Jorge says

        Wow. A woman said this? How perceptive. Over 50% of marriages end in divorce; over 70% of these are initiated by women, who just “aren’t happy”. What man with brains would risk his economic security on those odds? What man wants to see his kids suffer, through divorce- as the kids of some of his friends already are? What man is going to take the massive, dangerous risk, of marriage, with the deck stacked against him?

        • Jamie says

          You aren’t wrong…and that makes me sad. I have recently watched several divorces in the family, all initiated by wives who aren’t happy. The husbands are truly devastated. And everything you’ve talked about here in this comment is playing out…loss of children, income, savings. It is devastating. I only hope to say that I am raising my kids to have a different mindset on love and marriage. I do want my kids to get married someday…and I hope my son marries a good wife who doesn’t look upon him as you’ve described.

          • Harv says

            And those wives stay unhappy. Divorce does not end the relationship. It poisons it.

  2. dave says

    I did the Sound of Music tour, in Austria. Saw all the places in the movie. The guide had some resentments about his life. He noted that the Jewish merchants who were around, prior to WW II, had great prices, and were great businessmen. He said that the stores now charged a lot of money. He was envious of the Frye boots I was wearing. How sad. Because, you know, the Jewish merchants aren’t coming back. Some ended up as soap, in the concentration camps, and a few got out of Europe. I personally enjoy Jewish people, most are very intelligent, and if treated with respect, will often share some great ideas. Listen carefully to what feminists say. They don’t want men around. And, since most men are courteous, they lower their profile. Men are feeling more and more like deer, when the season opens. And more and more, they do just what deer do- they lower their profile. An alert deer can feel a hunter scoping him, from 500 yards away. Alert people can, too. Deer, and people, evade. In fact, snipers are taught not to stare at their targets until ready to shoot, because people really can feel observation. That’s impossible, in the Newtonian physical world, but it’s true. Men feel kind of hunted, in the USA.

    There are apple orchards in my area. For a week, they are in bloom, and you can hear the bees. The time for apples to grow is spring. Not late summer. Spring. The best time for a woman to give birth is in her 20s. Pregnancy, and birth, really tax a woman’s body. Births to women over 30 are considered risky, by OB’s. For good reason.

    My gramma got married, around 1908. She knew only the lads of nearby communities. She picked a guy who had a 6th grade education. He got his doctorate, and taught in a college for 30 years. He had potential. Her comparables were local.

    Something happened, by 1920. Movies. Have you seen pictures of Mary Pickford? She was stunning. Douglas Fairbanks was great. So, now women had vastly different comparables. Comparison is basic to perception; you compare events to your experience. The energy gradient between your perception, and your comparable, determines how you value what you see.

    So, women could now dream of being with a movie star. The local lads weren’t any good, any more. And women who didn’t have the movie star felt cheated.

    Ladies, if you seek husbands, who will support you, you gotta treat them well. You may find a prince. He will look at you, too. If he finds you wanting, he won’t tell you that. He knows you can make false claims against him, as in #metoo. So he’ll tell you he’s gay, involved with a married man, and has to keep it secret. Or he’ll tell you he’s got another relationship. Or whatever he thinks you’ll believe. Because he knows women are dangerous. He’ll pay attention to whether your sense of self stops at the skin, or not. He’ll pay attention to how you treat people, for he knows that the way you treat the least of these, is how you will treat him. He listens carefully for bitching. If you don’t know how to identify and solve your problems, and prefer bitching, he knows to drop you fast. If he’s over 30, he feels your heart, first. He knows that the 10’s often conceal a sharp, serrated blade, a punji stick, that can hurt him. He’ll know how sincere you are. He can’t give you accurate feedback, for his own safety, so he evades anything that feels dangerous.

    Terrence Popp did a youtube video, noting that the number of men seeking marriage, after the age of 35, drops every year, quickly. And the number of women seeking marriage, after the age of 35, goes up and up and up. Un padre bien tiene el valor de 100 maestros- a good father has the value of 100 teachers.

    • Harv says

      That is true. if you took Hitler’s speeches about Jews, and replaced Jews with white men, you have almost verbatim Gloria Steinem statements. Try it. It works every time.

  3. Joseph says

    You can have anything you want- so long as you are willing to pay the price.
    But you cannot [usually] have *everything* you want.

    Which means you gotta prioritize. What do you want? The career? Go for it. Commit totally.
    If you want the family, commit, go for it. Pay the price. For everything comes at a price, even doing nothing.

    Or, dump half the housework on hubby. And then, when the oil needs changing, or the lock needs changing, “oh, that’s man’s work, I don’t know how to do that, you’ll have to do that.” Be really bitchy, and have moods, and be very difficult to please. Pull the pin on the fat grenade. Cut your hair short. Complain often. Waste lots of money. Demand new furniture. Never, ever thank hubby, for anything. Make hubby rue the day he met you. Why not, so many American women do just this. I told my second wife she was very difficult to please. She said, with great irritation, “Well, you’re a talented guy, you should welcome the challenge.” Any desire to please her drained out of my body, like a liquid, within the next 30 seconds. It took a few months to break off the appearance of a relationship, but it ended right there, for me. We went to a counsellor. He was smart, he asked if we both wanted to stay married, as his first question. I tried to say yes, and a deep tidal wave came out of my gut, as a “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!” My body wouldn’t let the lie pass. And we were divorced, soon afterwards. Many American married men lead lives of quiet desperation. Men kill themselves 4 times as much as women do. Or, this men’s joke- “Why do men die sooner than women? Because they want to.” Many men over 40 laugh hysterically at this. Because the truth is funny. Women outlived men by a year, in 1920. Now women outlive men by 7 years. Women get far more out of the system than men do- Social security, and so on- and men get far less.

    You can have that magnificent family. It comes at a price. You’ll need to give up your resentment, your hatred, your sleep sometimes… and you’ll become a much better person. For military service, ya gotta make a commitment. Part of this is putting up with a lot of sh… Oh, you can get out, in peacetime, with a dishonorable discharge, if you want to. But most guys ride out their term, and put up with it. And then realize they are far better than they would have been, otherwise- because they stayed the course. But you don’t know that till you get to the other side. Marriage is a growth opportunity, very hard to equal anywhere else in life. Your sense of self has to grow outside your skin. You have to think about others, first. It is a spiritual path as honorable as any monastery, according to a Tibetan abbot I once heard.

    You aren’t going to find the prince right away. You bring home the apple tree sapling, and it’s not producing fruit right away. It needs a few years to spread its roots, to grow branches, and so on. Everybody wants it all RIGHT NOW. This is based on electronics. The natural world teaches patience, but Americans ignore it. You have to take a chance. Oh, study patterns, get older women talking, and all that, so you take at least a measured risk. Avoid the druggies and alcoholics, they will never reform.

    My father planted a tree, about 1935. It is still growing, in the yard. It is said that Sultan Harun al-Rashid found an old man, planting a date tree. Date trees take 50 years to produce fruit, so the old man would clearly never enjoy the fruit. The Sultan, who was in disguise, asked the old man why he was doing that. The old man said it was for his grandchildren. The Sultan gave him a gold dinar, a gold coin about half dollar size. The old man said, “Behold, sir, not even totally in the ground yet, and this date tree hath already produced fruit!” The Sultan laughed, and gave him another gold dinar.

    Iroquois people say “unto the 7th generation”, that is, consider the effects of your actions, unto the 7th generation- the unborn. White man culture, like ours, can’t even consider the effects of their actions next week.

    • Robert says

      Feminists are working hard to ensure that there will be no seventh generation. It’s working.

      If your philosophy doesn’t grow corn, I have no interest in it. -Sun Bear

      Feminism does not grow corn. It grows hate. Let’s call it what it is- a hate group.

  4. George says

    If marriage is truly your path- walk it. Bars do not offer useful training, for women who seek a good marriage. Neither do bad boys. Men over 30 are more and more aware. They know that a woman who has had over 100 sexual partners has at least one incurable STD, and that there is no way he can ever meet her mental model of the ideal man- which is based on the best parts of over 100 other men. He knows that she will not have the oxytocin rush that makes her pair bond.

    My brother is a nice guy, who helps people, is bright, works hard, and doesn’t drink or do drugs. He was with a woman, who left him- why? Because he was, as she said, “too nice”. She wanted the bad boy. Something about bad boys turns some women on- they think they have the golden whatever, to change him into something responsible. If they succeed, though, he becomes boring, and they dump him, too.

    I see a lot of women, with children, who finally divorced the bad boy- only to realize that the $250K obligations they have- that is what it costs to raise a child, by way- turn men off. Men know that if they adopt a woman’s children, by another man, in some states they can be hit for child support.

    Vlad Draculs impaled about 10,000 Ottoman Turks, on sharp poles, and let them die, in agony. It scared away the Ottoman army. Divorce courts in the USA, and Britain, and Australia, and recently, Spain, that I know of, are doing precisely the same thing, metaphorically. Karen Straughn, Cassie Jaye, and Helen Smith have said the same thing.

    I do hope women will commit to family, and having kids. SOmeone will be needed, to pay my Social Security. And, come to think of it… SS for single cat ladies, who never got married, too.

  5. Phil says

    Suzanne, you are right on. Most American women cannot be satisfied. The bar they set can only be met by imaginary men. Oh wait- that’s why chick flicks are so popular. And Romance Novels. Fantasy is fun, but it is still fantasy.

    If I go swimming in the ocean, I modify my behavior to the currents. I cannot modify the currents to me. It is the same way, in marriage.

  6. Raymond says

    I was in a class, with some feminists who ran pure hate for men through their energy systems. It was fascinating. I went into stealth mode, and said nothing. They had all kinds of nasty things to say. It was clear some of them knew each other.

    And at the same time, they thought that feminists were extraordinarily attractive to men. I couldn’t believe it. That’s like saying a triple K sheet set would be attractive to a black woman. Who was that neighborhood organizer Hillary did her thesis on- he said leftwingers should never criticize conservative rallies or groups; they should show up in Triple K sheets. I wonder how many Triple K appearances are actually Antifa… but anyway. What does a feminist present to most men? Energy vampire. It means a relationship where he will give 95%, and she will give 5% or less. It means constantly being compared to comparables that don’t even exist. It means constant lectures on BS. It means being with a woman who looks like a man. That may be fine for gay men, but for the average hetero, polarity is the only thing that lets the current of relationship flow. Vive la diference, yes? Because the greater the energy gradient, the greater the current. A 2 degree energy gradient has flow, but it’s slow. A 58 degree gradient has much greater flow, it’s almost a torrent. The more a woman is in her Yin polarity, the more attractive she is. The Hawaiian creation myth has the Yin Polarity, Uli, reaching out to Kane, the male polarity, ok Hawaiians are earthy, basically arousing him. This is metaphor for the conscious mind waking up in the sea of the subconscious. I was at a spiritual class, where the instructor diverged into discussing how to meet a soulmate. He noted that men generally don’t follow through, when they meet a “soulmate”, because they are so disappointed with women. Every woman in that class had razor sharp awareness, on that presentation. As Lorna Byrne says, though, 99.9% of us will not be married to our soulmates. It’s just not how the class works. She loved her husband deeply, but he wasn’t her soulmate.

    Let’s say we have a magnet. Magnets have a N and S pole, yes? You put 2 magnets in proximity, and they draw together. If, however, the metal isn’t magnetized, there is no attraction. Electric current is produced by rotating magnets, by way. If there is no voltage differential, there is no current.

    And that is precisely what feminists offer men. Zero current, and lots of bitching. You see, men get married to have lots of sex, and zero bitching. They end up with the reverse. Or as the comedians say, women get married hoping to change the man, a lot, and the man hopes the woman will never change. Both are disappointed.

    • Robert says

      That is true. When it comes to marriage relationships, feminists are a negative investment, with guaranteed loss. Only a man drunk on media lies would consider a relationship with a feminist, and even he would soon discover the error of his ways, the way an insect discovers the plastic face shield on a motorcycle helmet, at 70 mph.

    • Sharon says

      Hillary certainly found herself in marriage. Bill helped her every step of the way, as Joe Klein’s books point out. She found her “inner schweinhund”, as the SS used to call it. This is the inner demonic self, that cares only for power, and bulldozes through critics. Jungians might call this the shadow self. She certainly acts, at times, as if she was possessed. She has all the charm of a walking corpse. Angelina Jolie talks in a youtube video of an exercise she did, to bring out this part of herself. Chelsea has Webster Hubbell’s face, even after numerous plastic surgeries. How is that possible? The Monica Lewinsky info was being ignored by the liberal media, until Matt Drudge spread it far and wide. Then they couldn’t ignore it. What an incredible insult to that young woman. But it was all ok, because Bill was a liberal.

  7. James says

    One of these blogs had a question by a woman who was seeking marriage minded men. Hmmm. Lots of books on that.
    1. Clean up your own act. Get rid of all the Cosmo mags- they are designed to make your life miserable. Pick the 3 girlfriends who are most toxic. Cut them out of your life, they are dragging you down. Get rid of your TV. Get rid of the romance novels, they are toxic. Clean everything negative out of your mind. Kevin Trudeau’s books can be useful here, and/or Martha Beck’s. I have no financial interest in anything they do.
    2. Cut back on the cosmetics. Do a detox. I like Dr. Schulze’s stuff, herbdoc.com, but use what you like. Your body is full of poisons. You cannot operate at the max with a poisoned body. Flush the liver, and kidneys, particularly Dr. Schulze’s 20 rules for health would be a good thing to adopt. Free at his website, and on youtube, and I have no financial interest in anything he does. Adopt them one at a time.
    3. Get on a healthy diet. I like Paul Bragg’s ideas, myself; I have no financial interest in what they do. This will involve food no more than one step away from nature. This cuts out all junk food. Remove ALL artificial sweeteners from your diet. They are toxic. Cease taking alcohol, and any illegal drugs, as soon as possible. Don’t go cold turkey on all of them, at once, that’s too much of a shock. Cut them back. Paul Bragg’s stuff on fasting is useful, that is a good way to empty toxins out of the system.
    Stop eating all fast food. It is drugs. The only fast food you can have is Subway, just like Raul Molina says. Cut out all soft drinks, they are toxic. Eat nothing with corn syrup in it.
    4. Buy the kind of clothing that stays in style, preferably natural fabrics. Gradually change your wardrobe to this. Clean out everything that does not add to your energy. Marie Kondo has GREAT books on this.
    5. Stop impulse buying. This is a discipline. Men like disciplined women. Men fear women who waste money. Buy only what you need. Buy only shoes that are comfortable to walk in. High heels will destroy your knees, by the time you are 50. The only time to wear high heels is when they are pointed at the ceiling… never mind.
    6. Start putting 10% of your salary into your IRA, and more, if you can. That prospective husband does not want to be your ATM, your early retirement plan, your doormat, your toilet, or anything less than a supportive partner.
    7. Take the ideas of Joseph Murphy, or Florence Scovell Shinn. Put together a positive intent statement, heck even Napoleon Hill’s will work. Read that positive intent AT LEAST 5 minutes every morning, 5 minutes just before sleep, and at other times. You need to reach out into your spiritual dimensions, and their ideas work.
    8. Stop all casual sex. You need some inner time. Casual sex is an insult to self.
    9. Learn to meditate. Do it at least 10 minutes per day.
    10. Devote some time in your week to selfless service to others. Yeah. This will open up your heart like few other things.
    11. Start spending time in nature. Get off the electronic drugs. Turn your cell phone off for at least 3 hours per day. Get rid of all your feminist “friends”. They are as toxic as anything else on this list.
    12. Start getting older married women talking. They are further down the path you want to go on. Take notes. Ask them what works for them, and WRITE IT DOWN.

    You may have noticed that self-improvement is getting easier. yeah, inertia flows to improvement, not decay.

  8. james says

    13. Clearly define what kind of man you seek. Realistically. Millionaires have some bizarre tastes, and will not commit to you. Google Lolita Express, if you doubt me. Your list could start:
    a. good heart, able and willing to commit to you.
    b. stable financially and mentally.
    c. saves, and has savings.
    d. spiritual [casual sex is deeply materialistic. Good marriage is spiritual.] open heart.
    e. age range: five years below your age, to 10 years above your age, say.
    f. good health, and open to what you’ve learned from the above.
    know that adding much beyond this limits your options.

    Once the image you have “clicks”, imagine yourself living with him, in a very loving relationship. Why? Because this trains your nervous system in success. Do NOT sleep around, this drains the energy.
    Make space in your apartment for him, just like The Secret said to do. Cut all toxic people out of your life, especially the whiny girlfriends.

    Spend some time in nature, in wordless space, in quiet mind.

    When it feels right, put it out to the Universe. You could use Tom T. Moore’s “I request a Most Benevolent Outcome for finding the most appropriate mate for me [NOT the perfect mate- unless you are also perfect.] You could use Lorna Byrne’s invocation to angels. You could use Dee Wallace’s invocations [Iamdeewallace.com]. Or maybe some other intent focusing method.

    Keep doing this. I like Joseph Murphy’s affirmations, or FSS as noted above. What you are doing is refining your intent. Intent creates your life. When your subconscious mind is saturated with your positive intent, and your intent becomes the majority… the shift happens. And guys start showing up. The first one may not be the one. But he might be.

    Respect is enormously important. You cleaned out all your disrespect and hatred for men, right? Cuz if you didn’t, he will ghost your hateful ass, and you’ll never see him again. Disrespect for men builds a reinforced concrete WALL against finding a loving husband. You got rid of all that stuff about the patriarchy, and demanding your rights, too, right? Cuz if he hears that, he’s gone, faster than the Roadrunner.

    When he shows up, and he will, you are now in sales mode. You will need to sell him on how stable you are, financially and emotionally. You’ll need to show him a high energy level, so that he knows he won’t be the one vacuuming the rug at 5 AM because you were too damn lazy to do anything. You’ll show him some very healthy energy, based on the FANTASTIC mental AND physical diet you are on, so he knows you aren’t going to blow up like that lady in the Dursley’s house, in that Harry Potter movie. He won’t have everything you want- he’s gotta grow- and you won’t have everything he wants. You want to demonstrate that you are flexible, and open to growing with him.

    This is my personal thing. I say don’t sleep with him, prior to marriage. This is the guy you will dedicate your life to. Let him commit, in a formal ceremony to you. Sex is a lot better in a committed relationship. Oh, wait, you kept that bad boy on the side, for recreational sex, didn’t you… which proves you aren’t serious. You aren’t willing to commit. If you did that, stay with the bad boy, because that’s all you deserve. If you screw up a great guy’s life, the karma will come back and take some flesh out of your hide in very painful ways.

    No, let the relationship develop. Let him take the lead, in his Yang, electric, polarity, as you stay in your Yin, magnetic polarity. All that feminist BS you read was written by permanently damaged sociopaths who have no idea what they are talking about, who want you to share their misery. NEVER ask him for closure- like when he plans the wedding day. You could talk about plans for after being married, to see how he reacts. If he has a crisis, do what you can to help. NEVER EVER EVER EVER BITCH ABOUT ANYTHING, either out loud, or in your mind. Let him do more of the talking; the yang polarity of talking is weaker than the yin polarity of listening. Pour love out on him. He knows your mom is much of what you will become. So, let your mom meet him. And if your mom is a nasty termagant, well, cut her out of your life. You can overcome that subconscious programming, with methods cited.

    Your sales strategy is showing him that he gets more from you, than you from him. Yeah. Just like that. Lovingly, too. Your strategy is to show him you are a fantastic wingman, who supports and encourages him, and celebrates with him. Your strategy is to show that you are energy sealed, with no drains like addictions, spending, gossipping with girlfriends. By way, he knows that your girlfriends know EVERYTHING about him, especially the private stuff he asked you to never disclose. So his trust level is not very high. Learn discretion. Keep a wall around you, where you do not discuss private stuff with anyone else. He can feel that wall, and it affects his level of trust in you.

    You need to enter his circle of trust.

    Kids complicate things, that’s a whole different set of things. I can’t discuss that here.

    A smile from a loving heart is worth $40 million in cosmetics.

    Get out of panic mode, of the biological clock. Be centered in your spiritual core. Love yourself first, and let it overflow onto him. I could say learn to dowse, as taught by the American Society of Dowsers, folks like Raymon Grace who has videos on it, but that is too advanced, so I won’t.

    John Grey’s books are useful. Learn to speak your amour’s language. Let him take the lead, and isn’t it nice you can? Barbara DeAngelis had useful ideas. So did Dr. Laura. Susan Jeffreys, I think her name was, used to have an exercise, where women thought about all they hated in men. The room grew palpably hateful. Then she would have them think about all they liked in men- being flexible, supportive, funny, and so on. The room palpably lightened up. Concentrate on the positive.
    You could ask him what he thinks about having kids. That answer will be enlightening. Never ask directly, ask indirect questions, like this, so it doesn’t feel like pressure, or manipulation. And NEVER issue ultimatums, unless you want to end it all immediately.

    You see, he is trusting his economic, sexual, and family life to you. You are asking him to roll the dice in the crapshoot of marriage, risking half his income for the next 30 years, the emotional health of any children. He feels like he is putting his head in a guillotine, in marriage. Look up what that is. OK, another metaphor, he feels like he is putting his head in a noose, in a commitment. You want to show him he is safe. You are asking him to be the 50 meter target, on the rifle range, if you get upset, or just feel like taking out your bitchiness on the nearest target. That feels very, very risky. He’s seen men who couldn’t see their kids after a divorce. He doesn’t want that. He has to have complete trust in you. Really think about that.

    He’s a human being. You can totally destroy him, on a whim, and he knows it.
    If you still hate men, don’t get married. Get the cats, get a lesbian lover, whatever. Don’t hurt innocents. The karma is truly nasty, and you will get your investment back, with interest.

  9. joe says

    Noeteny is a very useful concept, in biology. Very young gorillas have no hair- as with humans. At a stage in the development of worms, there is something like a spine.

    Consider Bill Clinton, and George W. From a certain point of view, they are both little boys, in the bodies of old men. Neither really matured. They are neotenous. Ideally, teenagers mature, with the example of adults. Yet, more and more stay neotenous- 40 year old men may spend a lot of time on video games. And 40 year old women spend a lot on bars. Or other time wasters.
    Marriage is not for everyone. Yet it is one route out of psychological neoteny, into maturity. So is military service. Any situation where one has to stay committed, even in the face of a strong desire to quit, brings people out of neoteny. Maturity is the opposite of neoteny.

    Our culture is becoming more and more neotenous. We have more and more little boys, and little girls, in the bodies of older people. More and more people are as irresponsible as teenagers. Psychological neoteny means women in their 20’s, even 30’s, who do plan a family, put it off to have fun, like teenagers. OK. It comes at a price- a worsening selection of potential mates. But since they are neotenous, they cannot be told this. They can’t hear it.

    The news media maintains this neoteny. It is designed to put people in a state of fear, and hopelessness. What is it like, for a man, to date a woman, only to discover she has the emotional control of an 11 year old? Or, perhaps vice versa. It is scary. It is scary for a man to realize that not only does a woman not have his back, she doesn’t even have a mature mind. And vice versa.

    • Padraig says

      Plus, it is perfectly acceptable for a horn dog like Bill Clinton to rape women, because he is a liberal. Why doesn’t #metoo do anything about the over 30 women who said Bill raped them? There is a reason. Liberals aren’t held to the same moral limitations as others, because they and they alone know the holy truth. Their job is to lay down the holy words from on high, for the hoi polloi, the common people to follow. Those who disregard their holy words are by definition evil, and must be wiped out. Look at Hillary’s fury about not getting her crown- obviously it was stolen from her, by very bad people. So she becomes Senator Joseph McCarthy about Russians. And she went to Lolita Island as much as Bill did. Why was that, I wonder? I’ve met a number of socialists, who seriously think their job is to come up with ideas that they can then force others to follow. They are all extremists, as fascist as Mussolini’s supporters. Lenin sent a telegram of congratulations to Mussolini, when Muss first came to power. He knew one of his own. Feminism is only one flavor of socialism.

  10. David says

    In the Army, you are assigned a “battle buddy”. You are expected to look after each other, to cover each other, to support each other. The Army knows that when troops are paired, in this way, they are more likely to survive. Isn’t that interesting. Just like traditional culture knows that men and women together do a better job, in marriage. But a bunch of wild theorists who are not grounded all know better, somehow, and they have a better idea, that has never worked in history, not for long.

    In my town, there was a woman who was wild, in the 60’s. She did it all – Haight Ashbury, crisscrossing the country in a VW van with guys, all of it. And then, about the age of 30, she did a polar flip. She became a religious conservative, militantly conservative, married a guy, and started a family. As Catholics say, the worse the sinner, the better the saint. Interesting polarity there. Many American women flip flop as it is, they rarely stay constantly on point. They think it’s their right. So they’ll dump a guy, painfully, and think they can take up with him 12 years later, when the bad boys don’t stay around any more. Female solipsism is very, very real, in many women.

    Suzanne, you speak truth. That’s why they attack you- they can’t stand being shown up for the liars they are. Thank you.

  11. Henry says

    One way to find yourself is service to others- including spouse, and children.

    The laughter of my little girl Makes the waves in my heart curl
    Like a bird, she sings from heart Effortless, from soul, her art
    Smiling, Laughing, giggling, too She lives from her essence, true
    She knows precisely what she seeks From her heart, she always speaks
    Creatively, she loves to play Her Truth, inside, to speak, and say
    She teaches us so very much She learns through instinct, sight, and touch
    She expresses spirit, pure She knows laughter is the cure

    If we are sane, children force us to grow outside of the bounds of our small selves. Raising children is a spiritual path. You find your SELF, your larger self, in service to others.

  12. George says

    Sandra Bullock: “I always had this feeling that if you got married, it was like the end of who you were.”

    Yes. And when you graduate kindergarten, that is the end of who you were. When you graduate college, that is the end of who you were. When you get married, that is the end of who you were. There is a name for this. “Growth”. Apparently Sandra wanted to stay in high school?

    Time waits for no-one. It marches on. Women like her get that biological clock ticking, in their late 30’s, even 40’s, and then they start looking for a guy… only they are like people in fall, looking for apple blossoms. Swim with the tides, and life is easier. Swim against the tides, and life is unpleasant. And if you really need to swim against the tides- why not choose a cause of service to people? Four people ended the slave trade in the British empire. Just four. They decided what they wanted, and made it happen. What good things would you like to create in life? Because when you commit, that is the end of who you were, and you become much more, like who you ARE.

  13. Medicine Spider says

    You don’t find yourself in selfish acts. Your “self” is your smaller self. The larger self is the self of relationships- with family, with spouse, with community, even with country. You can live by yourself. But this limits your growth. Hermits grow quite a bit. They are in relationship with their surroundings. Americans are in relationship with the Internet, TV, mass media, and so on. They are confused, sad, and conflicted, as a result. You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give.

  14. Liu says

    Wisdom is like seeds, scattered. Some seeds fall on rock, and never germinate. Some fall in shallow soil, and have sparse growth. Some seeds find rich soil, and grow fully. You scatter your seeds, Suzanne.

    There are four kinds of people. There are those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, those who wonder what happened, and those who have absolutely no clue whatsoever. Women, and men, fall into all four groups. Wisdom comes to those who realize that their self does not stop at their flesh.

      • Robert says

        There are four kinds of women. There are those who make family happen, those who watch family happen, those who wonder what happened with family, and those who have absolutely no clue whatsoever. There is only one kind of man. Confused, yet knowing somehow he will have to fund a lot of whatever it is.

  15. Roderick says

    All the world’s a stage
    and all the men and women, players on it
    They have their exits and their entrances
    and each in their time, plays many parts
    -As you like it, Shakespeare

    You chose your role, you chose the play
    you chose what to do and say
    you to winds far scattered seed
    to wisdom, or to fool, did heed

    The Worldly Hope men set their Hearts upon
    Turns Ashes–or it prospers; and anon,
    Like Snow upon the Desert’s dusty Face
    Lighting a little Hour or two–is gone.”
    -Ruba’iyat, of Omar Khayyam

    You plant fruit trees, or tall weeds
    By what you see as your needs
    Would you sell all of your wares
    you must lighten others’ cares

  16. Hoshea says

    Suzanne, you have such intelligent, thoughtful ideas. I am a veteran. There were several times during my service I was ready to quit. Some others did. But I stuck it out. And I’m glad I did. The challenges required me to dig deep into my being, to cope. And I became a much better person. I didn’t know it at the time- I just tried to make it through each day. I’m also married. Marriage also calls forth personal growth, especially when the kids come along. It used to be that some companies wouldn’t hire single men; they were seen as unstable. They wanted stable, hardworking, committed married men, and women.

  17. De'traka says

    There is no substitute for the comfort supplied by the utterly taken-for granted relationship.
    ~Iris Murdoch

    Children seldom misquote. In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn’t have said. – Anonymous (maybe Art Linkletter?)

    There was never a child so lovely but his mother was glad to get him to sleep. – Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Children are unpredictable. You never know what inconsistency they’re going to catch you in next. – Franklin P. Jones

    In the United States today, there is a pervasive tendency to treat children as adults, and adults as children. The options of children are thus steadily expanded, while those of adults are progressively constricted. The result is unruly children and childish adults.
    – Thomas Szasz

    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
    the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
    government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”
    – Patrick Henry

    In the developed countries, the proportion of adults married has declined from 72% in 1970 to 60% in 1996. The chance of a first marriage ending in divorce is between 50% and 67%. The chance that a second marriage will end in divorce is about 10% higher than for the first marriage.

    In the newspaper business (motto: “Trust Us! We’re English Majors!”)
    we have high standards of accuracy. Before we print anything, we make
    sure that: We personally believe it’s true, or a reliable source
    (defined as “a source wearing business attire”) told us it’s true or
    another newspaper, with a respectable newspaper name such as “The
    Fort Smidling Chronic Truncator” says it’s true, or it’s getting
    late and we need to print SOMETHING so we can go to the bar.

    Over the decades, Cosmopolitan has printed literally thousands of surefire techniques for driving men insane with passion. If these techniques actually worked, by now the entire male population of the United States would have been wiped out by lust. Using a complex, sophisticated technique to get a man excited is like preparing a gourmet French meal for a Labrador retriever. Another frisky phrase suggested by Cosmopolitan is-get ready- “My bikini waxer went a little overboard.” Listen, women: If you actually say those words to a man, he’s going to assume you want him to take you to the Emergency Room. To clear this up, I did some research on the Internet, I wish I’d done so sooner, because with just a few mouse clicks I was able to locate many photographs of naked people that are not at all attractive.

    Feminists have the organizing capacity of the Italians, the flexibility of the Germans and the modesty of the French. They have the imagination of the Belgians, the generosity of the Dutch, the emotional control that only comes with total commitment to being bipolar, and the intelligence of the truly insane. Almost all feminist ideas are wrong, but frightfully well marketed, and imposed on others. Kind of like communism. And if men really ruled the world, as they claim:

    Breaking up would be a lot easier. A smack to the a$$ and a “Nice hustle, you’ll get ’em next time” would pretty much do it.

    Birth control would come in ale or lager.

    Valentine’s Day would be moved to February 29th, so it would only occur in leap years.

    On Groundhog Day, if you saw your shadow, you’d get the day off to go drinking. Mother’s Day too. St. Patrick’s Day, however, would remain
    exactly the same. But it would be celebrated every month!

    Garbage would take itself out.

    Oprah would be chained to a cement mixer and pushed off the Golden Gate
    Bridge for the most lucrative pay-per-view event in history.

    The only show opposite, “Monday Night Football” would be “Monday Night
    Football from Another Camera Angle.”

    Instead of “beer-belly,” you’d get “beer-biceps.”

    Tanks would be far easier to rent.

    Two words: “Bikini Cheerleading”

    When a cop gave you a ticket, every smart-aleck answer you responded with would actually reduce your fine. As in: Cop: “You know how fast you were going?” You: “All I know is, I was spilling my beer all over the place.”
    Cop :”Nice one, That’s $10.00 off!”

    People would never talk about how fresh they felt.

    Daisy Duke shorts would always be in style.

    Everyone would get four real “Get Out of Jail Free” cards per year.

    Telephone calls would automatically end after 30 seconds.

    The victors in every athletic competition would get to kill and eat the

    It would perfectly legal to steal a sports car, as long as you returned it
    the following day with a full tank of gas.

    Instead of a fancy, expensive engagement ring, you could present your
    wife-to-be with a giant foam hand that said “You’re #1!”

    When your girlfriend really needed to talk to you during the game, she’d
    appear in a little box in the corner of the screen – during a time-out.

    Nodding and looking at your watch would be deemed an acceptable response
    to “I love you.”

    The funniest guy in the office gets to be C.E.O.

    “Sorry, I’m late, but I got wasted last night” would be an acceptable
    excuse for tardiness.

    At the end of the workday, a whistle would blow and you would jump out of
    your window and slide down the tail of a brontosaurus and right into your
    car like Fred Flintstone.

    Hallmark would make “Sorry, what was your name again?” cards.

    Advice From Dogs on success in relationships

    When loved ones come home, always run to greet them.

    Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joy ride.

    Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face to be pure ecstasy.

    When it’s in your best interest, practice obedience

    Let others know when they’ve invaded your territory.

    Take naps.

    Stretch before rising.

    Run, romp, and play daily.

    Thrive on attention and let people touch you.

    Avoid biting when a simple growl will do.

    On warm days, stop to lie on your back on the grass.

    On hot days, drink lots of water and lie under a shady tree.

    When you’re happy, dance around and wag your entire body.

    No matter how often you’re scolded, don’t buy into the guilt thing and pout…
    run right back and make friends.

    Delight in the simple joy of a long walk.

    Eat with gusto and enthusiasm. Stop when you have had enough.

    Be Loyal. Never pretend to be something you’re not.

    If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it.

    When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by and nuzzle them gently.

    Little Golden Books That Didn’t make the cut

    You Are Different … and That’s Bad

    The Boy Who Died From Eating Vegetables

    Dad’s New Wife, Robert

    Fun Four-Letter Words to Know and Share

    Hammers, Screwdrivers and Scissors: An I-Can-Do-It Book

    The Kids’ Guide to Hitchhiking

    Kathy Was So Bad Her Mom Stopped Loving Her

    Curious George and the High-Voltage Fence

    No Pets Go to Heaven

    The Little Sissy Who Snitched

    Some Pets Can Fly

    That’s It! I’m Putting You Up for Adoption

    Grandpa Gets a Casket

    The Magic World Inside Abandoned Refrigerators

    Your Dad lives in his car, now, and can’t come to see you

    Garfield Gets Feline Leukemia

    The Pop-Up Book of Human Anatomy

    Divorced Derek, and how he lives on $50 per week

    Strangers Have the Best Candy

    Whining, Kicking and Crying to Get Your Way

    You Were an Accident

    Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will

    Pop! Goes The Hamster…And Other Great Microwave Games

    The Man in the Moon Is Actually Satan

    Your Nightmares Are Real

    Goodbye, Moon

    Feminist Fairy Tales

    Where Would You Like to Be Buried?

    Eggs, Toilet Paper, and Your School

    Feminism and your mental health: can they co-exist?

    Why Can’t Mr. Fork and Ms. Electrical Outlet Be Friends?

    Places Where Mommy and Daddy Hide Neat Things

    Daddy Drinks Because You Cry

    Ugly Kids Grow Up Friendless

    A little house with three bedrooms
    and one car on the street,
    A mower that you had to push
    to make the grass look neat.

    In the kitchen on the wall
    we only had one phone,
    And no need for recording things,
    someone was always home.

    We only had a living room
    where we would congregate,
    Unless it was at mealtime
    in the kitchen where we ate.

    We had no need for family rooms
    or extra rooms to dine,
    When meeting as a family
    those two rooms would work out fine.

    We only had one TV set,
    and channels maybe two,
    But always there was one of them
    with something worth the view.

    For snacks we had potato chips
    that tasted like a chip,
    And if you wanted flavor
    there was Lipton’s® onion dip.

    Store-bought snacks were rare
    because my mother liked to cook,
    And nothing can compare
    to snacks in Betty Crocker’s® book.

    The snacks were even healthy
    with the best ingredients,
    No labels with a hundred things
    that make not a bit of sense.

    Weekends were for family trips
    or staying home to play,
    We all did things together —
    even go to church to pray.

    When ! we! did our weekend trips
    depending on the weatherr,
    No one stayed at home because
    we liked to be together.

    Sometimes we would separate
    to do things on our own,
    But we knew where the others were
    without our own cell phone.

    Then there were the movies
    with your favorite movie star,
    And nothing can compare to
    watching movies in your car.

    Then there were the picnics
    at the peak of summer season,
    Pack a lunch and find some trees
    and never need a reason.

    Get a baseball game together
    with all the friends you know,
    Have real action playing ball —
    and no game video.

    Remember when the doctor used
    to be the family friend,
    And didn’t need insurance
    or a lawyer to defend?

    The way that he took care of you
    or what he had to do,
    Because he took an oath
    and strived to do the best for you.

    Remember going to the store
    and shopping casually,
    And when you went to pay for it
    you used your own money?

    Nothing that you had to swipe
    or punch in some amount,
    Remember when the cashier person
    had to really count?

    Remember when we breathed the air;
    it smelled so fresh and clean,
    And chemicals were not used
    on the grass to keep it green.

    The milkman ! an! d the bread man
    used to go from door to door,
    And it was just a few cents more
    than going to the store.

    There was a time when mailed letters
    came right to your door,
    Without a lot of junk mail ads
    sent out by every store.

    The mailman knew each house by name
    and knew where it was sent;
    There were not loads of mail
    addressed to “present occupant. ”

    Remember when the words “I do”
    meant that you really did,
    And not just temporarily
    ’til someone blows their lid.

    T’was no such thing as “no one’s fault;
    ! we just made a mistake, ”
    There was a time when married life
    was built on give and take.

    There was a time when just one glance
    was all that it would take,
    And you would know the kind of car,
    the model and the make.

    They didn’t look like turtles
    trying to squeeze out every mile;
    They were streamlined, white walls fins,
    and really had some style.

    One time the music that you played
    whenever you would jive,
    Was from a vinyl, big-holed record
    called a forty-five.

    The record player had a post
    to keep them all in line, !
    And then the records would drop down
    and play one at a time.

    Oh sure, we had our problems then,
    just like we do today,
    And always we were striving,
    trying for a better way.

    And every year that passed us by
    brought new and greater things,
    We now can even program phones
    with music or with rings.

    Oh, the simple life we lived
    still seems like so much fun,
    How can you explain a game,
    just kick the can and run?

    And why would boys put baseball cards
    between bicycle spokes,
    And for a nickel red machines
    had little bottled Cokes?

    This life seemed so much easier
    and slower in some ways,
    I love the new technology
    but I sure miss those days.

    So time moves on and so do we,
    and nothing stays the same,
    But I sure love to reminisce
    and walk down memory lane.

  18. Robert says

    Americans have the illusion, or persistent hallucination, that they exist separately from others. Most of the world does not share this illusion. Most people in the world, and really almost all indigenous people, see themselves as connected to others. The organism is not the human being; it is the community. Americans, by the standards of much of the world, are insane. The prospect of men and women living alone, by choice, and not being married where that opportunity is open, is one that makes Hispanic, Mediterranean, African, and Oriental people look on in wonderment. The Chinese “left over” women do seek marriage, as do most women in the world, under terms far less favorable than what American women get. Feminism was funded by the same people that toxify our population with drugs, mass media, toxic food, and ideas that may sound good to those with no experience of life, but which don’t work. The MGTOW concept of men with an upraised middle finger, to women who seek long term or even short term relationships, would be inconceivable even in the USA that I grew up in. It would still be so, in most foreign countries. Women have been taught that they deserve it all, and when they don’t get the fairy tale experience, they get divorced, in the USA. Overseas, mothers tell their daughters what to expect, and how to deal with men. In the USA, women expect to be catered to, by society, by men, by everything. In my own workplace, women take longer lunches, take more sick leave, and generally don’t produce as much as men do. There must be worksites where that isn’t true. I’ve never seen or heard of one, but they must exist. Nowhere does one see this more, than in the fat acceptance movement. Having 100 lbs or more of excess fat is a major health issue. It is a clear indication of emotional problems, and bad eating habits. This is a disease of the fork. Instead of promoting healthy eating habits, we have a campaign to manipulate men into defying millennia of evolution, to select mates that are extremely unhealthy, for whom childbearing is a major stress, who will die younger and not be able to guide their children to success. Fat acceptance. This is a great idea. We can have bitchy behavior acceptance. Oh wait, men already have to do that. We can have acceptance of open perjury in court, lying about rape. Oh wait, we already have that. We could have acceptance that women get custody of children, in divorce cases. Oh wait, we already have that. We could have open acceptance that women do not have to abide by divorce agreements. Wait- you guessed it- we already have that. We could have open acceptance that women who get drunk around drunk young men are not taking a serious risk. Wait- we have that, too. We could have open acceptance that a female presidential candidate could openly engage in numerous acts of treason, and not even be criticized for it, in the press. Wait, that happened, too. We could have open acceptance of gross insults to men, all over the media, with feminists being celebrated for hate speech about men. Wait, we have that, too. We can have open acceptance that day care centers run by people on minimum wage, with workloads larger than any mother in history ever had, on low wages, are somehow superior to blood tie parenting. Wait, we have that too. We can have open acceptance of women who think they are going to balance a family with a job that has a 100 hour workweek. We could have open acceptance that female military personnel who cannot meet the physical standards should just have the standards lowered. We could have open acceptance that women have to have safe spaces, and that women must invade all male safe spaces. We could have open acceptance that female adultery is ok. We can have open acceptance of policies that previous generations would have correctly identified as insane. Wait, we have all that, too. We are beyond a society that is falling apart. We are at the stage where we can wonder what miracles are holding it together.

  19. Robert says

    Suzanne, this topic is just off course, for many American women. They believe they don’t find themselves until they’ve entertained all the bad boys around, in bed. It’s an interesting quest, with, one must admit, some spiritual elements to it. Ministering unto the bad boys. Has an almost religious ring to it, doesn’t it, though the bad boys rarely put a ring on anything. It is possible for a bad boy fancier to later find a decent husband, but it requires a considerable amount of self purification. Most women don’t have the stamina for that. I saw women like this, in college. Some had good genes, and others aged a few years for each year of their special spiritual ministry to the bad boys, helped along with consumption of controlled substances, and that most special elixir of feminists, refined alcohol. Women do not appear to make finding their true self- or expressing themselves out of their true self- a priority. They have another quest, the one Cosmopolitan fits into a paragraph or two, for every 20 pages of advertisements for toxic cosmetics- tasting of every forbidden sexual delight there is. And when they get tired of men, why there are lesbians, too. It’s all just a smorgasbord of delights. Nobody seems to be telling these young women that the piper must be paid, eventually. So they get to their mid-30’s, or whenever they hit the wall, and all of a sudden, the bad boys get meaner, and are harder to find. They might be a “cougar” for a time, but even that drops off. Now they are motivated to find a more committed relationship. It’s the female equivalent of the martial arts guy, who neglected his studies in favor of the fermented juice of the grape, and other such distractions. He suddenly discovers that the enemy has not been similarly lazy, and now he will have to face some serious challenges, without preparation. Women smell desperation coming off of young men, and reject them. Young men remember wounds as much as anybody else. So when women have desperation, of a very similar kind, men have a pattern, an example, to follow. I was 21 when I was able to reject the first woman who showed strong interest in me. I did so very politely, well, you know, I was raised that way. And when I was out of earshot, I put my fists high in the air, and said, “YESSSS! Thank you GOD!” and my spirits went way up. As my SMV went up, I got to do more and more rejecting. It was almost as good as an orgasm. And I worked harder, studied more, improved myself, and did all I could to be a good partner, because I was not going to risk my half my life on a bad girl. And now that I’m in my fifties, and women hit on me- oh they do, so subtly, usually- I just scratch my nose, with my left hand, so the ring is visible. And I transmute all that frustrated energy from rejections into love, and pour it by the gallon into my beloved wife, and children. My children are by far the most precious part of my life.

  20. Delinda says

    What happens to a human being in space? If they don’t exercise, they lose muscle tone. What happens to people who stay in bed all the time? The same thing. We live in gravity. Our bodies get stronger by dealing with gravity. Dealing with gravity causes us to grow.

    It is the same way with marriage. Dealing with marriage is a constant adjustment. Living with other people requires adjustment. It causes us to grow. There are great times, there are not so good times. Life is about solving problems. Marriage requires negotiation, and solving a lot of problems. The more problems you solve, the better you get.

    Navy SEAL school -BUDS- is hell. It is really difficult. People who make it through that course make it in 5 minute increments. Yet graduates all say that it was extremely necessary. The school forces them to dig deep into themselves, and to grow. If you’ve ever dealt with people like this, they tend to be soft-spoken. They tend not to be boasters. They tend to be friendly and cooperative. They know they are part of a team. They look after their buddies, knowing their buddies will look after them. A good marriage is exactly the same way. You take care of your spouse, knowing they’ll take care of you.
    The Buddhists will say that the path of a married person has the same growth potential of being a monk, in a monastery. Both paths can involve incredible spiritual growth. The limitation comes in that one has to choose a good partner. It used to be that women had trouble finding a good partner, usually. Now it is men who have trouble finding a good partner. Women are no longer trained for marriage. Can you imagine a Navy SEAL who had 100 extra pounds on, who bitched about how nobody was taking care of his needs, who went on sick call often so his buddies had to carry his weight, who bitched about how his people had been discriminated against for centuries? No. They don’t exist. But men seeking partners find this all the time, among women. Yes, there are lazy men. But women of today seem far, far lazier. This does not bode well for the future.

  21. Marian says

    Let us imagine that there is a sine wave, of opportunity for women, to find the best spouse. It is possible to find one at say 16. But the sine wave is low. I knew a woman from Kentucky who got married at 16, because her family couldn’t support her. It is possible to find one at 20. The sine wave is a little higher. The question to ask is when it peaks out? It peaks out from roughly the age of 25, to about 31. That is when a woman has the best chance to find an outstanding spouse. After say 31-32, depending on the woman, the sine wave starts dropping. It drops faster than it rose. By the age of say 37-40, the sine wave is dropping a lot. Somewhere around this women find the “wall”, the Wile E Coyote moment when they look down and there is no more road under them. It varies with women. I know a 55 year old woman, of French ancestry, who looks fantastic, she is hot. She’s married, and so am I. I respect my vows, and people, so I will never take action there. I do notice those things. But this is not typical, she is an outlier. Some women hit the wall at 30. I’ve known women like that.

    It is fascinating to see divorced women, with children, who are say 40, still look ok, but think they are going to find an ideal spouse. They have not stepped out of their own perspective, into a man’s perspective. A man sees some baggage, some very expensive assets that he will have to pay to maintain, and little time for attention to him. Yes, there are Chicken Soup for the Soul stories about some woman with seven children who found a great spouse. They are so heartwarming. There are also people who hit the lottery. But that is not the way to plan your life. Older men tell me they avoid divorced women on principle, though widows can be great, to go out with.

    If I could offer only one awareness to those seeking spouses, it would be to put your perspective into their heads, and look at yourself. What do you have to offer? What are your good points? What do you bring to the table? Men seem to know this better, usually. Women have been coddled for decades, now, and have the idea that some handsome prince is going to show up, and do it all for them. This is not realistic. It’s a wonderful fantasy, and somehow that’s the sort of thing one reads in romance novels. But romance novels are not realistic.

    The process of using perspective in this way is a major spiritual boost. One doing this gives up the alcohol, and drugs. One doing this improves diet, and exercises. One doing this seeks out ways to improve their awareness. They may even get on a spiritual path, when they realize that the only good spouses out there are all deeply, deeply spiritual. Successful marriage is very much a spiritual path. It is challenging at times. We find our SELF in others, by serving others.

    Thanks, Suzanne, for shining light on people’s paths, so they can find their way. That is a deep service that you provide.

    As for feminists, well, I don’t care who you are, nursing hatred and resentment is not the path to spiritual growth. It is the path to sadness, and regret, and lost opportunities, and an empty heart. It is better to light one candle, than to curse the darkness.

  22. Mary Ann says

    You don’t find yourself in marriage. If you stay committed, and stay on the course, you find your Self.

  23. John says

    Takers are people who don’t see the point in making the world better. All that matters to them is themselves. They serve themselves. They are materialists. They are rarely if every happy, and are always demanding more. They tend to be sociopaths. Most feminists fall into this category.

    Givers see the point in making the world better even if they have to sacrifice themselves some, to do it. They Improve what is around them, usually at their own cost. They serve others. They are almost always spiritual. They are often happy, and often demand more of themselves.

    Matchers are people who view life pragmatically and know that making the world better is good but their own well-being is just as important. If they see a giver, they will join him or her IF they can. If they see a taker, then they will try to eliminate him or her IF possible, or at least to limit their scope.

    Asking for help is a good thing to do. It fosters the communication necessary to keep the system in flow, which is healthy. How do we get more people to be givers? The best way is to demonstrate giving. Another way is to get people in the habit of asking for help. One bad apple can spoil a barrel. The takers cause more damage than the givers do good. Effective team building is weeding out the takers.

    Giving and taking are based in values, and paradigms. Agreeable givers say yes to everything. Disagreeable takers are gruff. Disagreeable givers- bad user interface, but great operating system. They give the critical feedback that gets the job done. Agreeable takers, or fakers, are nice to your face, but stab you in the back. They kiss up and kick down. The best way to advance the organization is to foster the giving.

    Success in marriage is giving, and giving, and giving, and sometimes getting. And welcoming the getting. My experience of feminists is that they give as little as possible, and demand and take as much as they can.

  24. James says

    I’m trying to, like, make it so women just, like, understand a little bit, like, what men are about. It’s like we’re like sport fishermen. This is what I’m sayin’. Men like to fish. And sport fishing is different from catching fish for food. You just get it– you get it, you catch it, .. .. ‘Cause you want them to know that you can catch fish.

    You take a couple of pictures so you can show people the fish that you have the ability to catch, and then you release it back into the water. But a lot of women in here, you have boyfriends or husbands, you were fish that jumped .. And just was, like, flapping, .. “Hi. “I was wondering if you’re gonna be fishing here again ..” “yeah, for other fish. ” “is that how you treat ” you be like, “oh, damn. “No, I’m sorry, sweetie, you’re the last fish ” now you’re stuck. Stuck with the last fish, who was loving you and fighting hard to be on your boat.

    Then she got comfortable. And now, instead of doing this, .. “We’ve been together for, like, a year now. Why do you still have all that fishing equipment ” .. “So what you trying to say, ” “why do you need ” and I say “because if I lose my ability to catch fish, then you not gonna find me sexy no more, “so you gotta smell fish on me “so that you know I can catch fish ” that’s like, guys, you meet your girl, she was a ho. Like, had ho– like she, big ol’ booty and this and that. You gotta let her do that. Don’t start trying to frump her up and get her fat and get her foul, ’cause that’s why you like her. I don’t want no woman that no other guy’s TRYING TO hit on. I don’t want a woman that I can send to the store early in the morning, ’cause nobody’s gonna try to rape her. Like, I go, “go get some bread at 3:00 in the morning. “Hey, cut through the alley” “girl, I talked to the junkies. They don’t want it. ” [cheers and applause] –
    -Patrice O’Neal, standup comedian

  25. Juan says

    I knew a pastor, once, who was very aware of the super entity formed by his wife, and him. They even had a name for that entity. Bob, or something like that. They would observe, “Bob sure is calm today.” There is a massive difference between a boy, and a man. A man, in the traditional sense, meant someone who looked after his family, community, and country. A man, in this sense, had a much larger sense of self. Wives of my gramma’s generation, most of them, really, really looked up to their husbands, cherished them, loved them, welcomed them, respected them. They were outstanding in their jobs, they were committed members of the community, they gave out so much. Yes, there were drunks then, and cads, and criminals. But the average man was married, very responsible, didn’t beat his wife, drank minimal alcohol, and was responsible. I didin’t say they were perfect. And they became excellent, in marriage, because they were committed to it. They didn’t divorce easily. Look at stories of WW II veterans- like that guy in Hacksaw Ridge, came home to his lass, and they stayed married the rest of their lives. Both people grew greatly in marriage, just as a pilot and wingman grow. Raising children raises… adults. You have to learn and develop, to stay married, and raise good kids.

    Buddhist monks will say that married people can be just as much on a spiritual path, as a monk. LIke any other challenge, it calls for the best in you. Look at people who had minimal stress in their lives. They tend to be fragile.

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